ladymercury_10: (rory skience)
[personal profile] ladymercury_10
 I will confess that I never properly understood how the rebooting of the universe in the Series 5 finale worked, exactly, but wasn't it the case that the timeline with the collapsing universe was erased?  Ergo, Team TARDIS are really the only ones who remember things like Rory being a plastic Roman?  So why did Amy tell baby Melody that her father, better known as the Last Centurion, would be coming for her?  She couldn't have known that the Doctor was making him dress up, and there is no reason to assume anyone remembers the legend after the universe was rebooted.  Right? 

Date: 2011-06-07 04:45 am (UTC)
promethia_tenk: (rory hold on)
From: [personal profile] promethia_tenk
I think this is pretty much a case of "awesomeness trumps accuracy."

But, hey, Amy Pond yelled at the universe to give her her Doctor back--"awesomeness (and a good story) trumps accuracy" is pretty much the prevailing logic of the show.

Date: 2011-06-07 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Your icon! :D I liked Rory's security guard uniform.

Yeah, you're probably right. Normally, logic going out the window makes me cranky, but extra awesomeness is something I can definitely support. I loved The Big Bang, even though I didn't understand it, and Rory being a Roman was pretty cool.

Date: 2011-06-07 04:49 am (UTC)
owlboy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
Many people still believed in stars even though stars had never existed in the Universe prior to re-booting[there were star cults]. So maybe the legend of the Lone Centurion survived in the same way.

Date: 2011-06-07 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Hmm, that's an interesting theory. I like that.

Date: 2011-06-07 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gotatheory.livejournal.com
Well, she probably didn't know he would make Rory dress up, but she could have guessed. It's not really that surprising for the Doctor to do.

I think the story serves a few purposes: the obvious rule of cool, the misdirection to make us think she's initially talking about the Doctor, and then the in-story purpose is she's telling a story to Melody, kind of like the way the Doctor told little Amelia the story about the ancient-brand new blue box.

Date: 2011-06-07 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Ooh, I like the connection between the Doctor telling her a story and her telling her baby a story.

Rule of cool? Is that a TV Tropes reference? *high fives*

Date: 2011-06-07 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gotatheory.livejournal.com
Yes it is! *high fives back* I love TV Tropes. Even if it does eat large amounts of my time whenever I'm on it.

Date: 2011-06-07 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
I KNOW! The hours I've lost to TV Tropes....

Date: 2011-06-07 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathy-williams.livejournal.com
Yeah, I dunno, but Roman!Rory is badass. Maybe there are some side adventures we have not yet seen where Rory puts on his Roman outfit and they all save the world? [livejournal.com profile] owlsie's theory about the legend of the Lone Centurion is also pretty awesome.

Something I never understood was why Rory remembers being the Lone Centurion, since that wasn't really him it was plastic!Rory and this version is not plastic!Rory so... IDK.

Date: 2011-06-07 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Side adventures! That would be cool.

I guess plastic!Rory had proper!Rory's soul, or something? So just like Amy remembers her old life, he can remember his? IDK.

Date: 2011-06-07 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eve11.livejournal.com
Ha well, we do know that he dressed up as a Roman during their, ah, honeymoon. So there are at least some adult stories that Amy likes to tell or be told; not too much of a stretch that she would tell general audience stories like that as well?

Date: 2011-06-07 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
Hmm. I guess my confusion comes from the way she talked about him as the Last Centurion, a if other people knew him by that name as well.

Date: 2011-06-07 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiascully.livejournal.com
I think it was to fake us out that Amy was talking about the Doctor again, and then to give Rory his own epic backstory as well. But I like the idea down in the comments already about the myth of the Last Centurion surviving (and if the Doctor makes him dress that way all the time, he's probably rebooted the myth, since Rory could have been Last Centurioning his way across the galaxy).

Date: 2011-06-07 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
That's possible. And I suppose even on the asteroid Amy could have heard rumors.

Date: 2011-06-07 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-with-cats.livejournal.com
Neither have I, but I try to think of it as a time loop.

The events have to happen as they do, so the cracks are closed up, but the Doctor being erased from time is far too wibbly making so he pops into the timeline as if those events (majority of crack-related-s5, like Rory being wiped) didn't occur. But the impetus has to be Amy's belief. Sort of like when the Doctor solves his problem when his future self walks in with the knowledge, in a never ending loop (TIME PARADOXES, BRAIN GETS HURTY.)

Or, "MOFFAT!!" *shakes fist*

Date: 2011-06-07 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
That makes sense, except then aren't all the problems they solved sitting around waiting to be fixed in the new universe?

Date: 2011-06-07 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvia-elisa.livejournal.com
Basically, what [livejournal.com profile] owlsie said. :) I have a feeling that Rory has become like Stonehenge: it's there, it gets tourism, but nobody remembers how it actually came to be there anymore.

Other than that, Amy was clearly trying to impress a pretty strong image of her parents in Melody's memory, JUST IN CASE she needed to remember who she was later on. So obviously, the image of the Lone Centurion is much stronger than 'Look, your daddy's a nurse with spiky hair and the wrong date on his badge, try to keep that in mind, love, Mum.' :D

Date: 2011-06-07 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com
I like your Stonehenge analogy.

Haha, that's true. Poor Rory....

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